Posts by Strider Arekksu

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What are the chances...

by Strider Arekksu in

talked to some elders about my doubts, actually confimation that the wts bible logic was extremely flawed.

wanted me to think it over, but i said i was admant about what i felt and would be crazy to deny it.

it's been about a month sense i last went... due to more important things in my life, however, my dad is being an idiot and wants to still go to determine if they are true or not even though i already gave him enough proof that they are a joke, he keeps using the excuse of "if they teach the people good habits it can't be all bad.

Strider Arekksu

Talked to some elders about my doubts, actually confimation that the WTS Bible logic was extremely flawed. Wanted me to think it over, but I said I was admant about what I felt and would be crazy to deny it. It's been about a month sense I last went... due to more important things in my life, however, my dad is being an idiot and wants to still go to determine if they are true or not even though I already gave him enough proof that they are a joke, he keeps using the excuse of "if they teach the people good habits it can't be all bad." But he doesn't understand that if they use lies to get to that fake outcome, there is no point.

Basically, if I go back with them, what are the chances that the congregation will be afraid of me? Why the hell would I want to sit in a room for two hours listening to a lie and everyone is afraid of me?

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My Congregation = I'm like a sober person talking to "high" drug addicts!!!!

by Witness 007 in

in my cong.

you start a "normal" conversation like....i complimented a brother on having 8 grandchildren....he got a sad look in his eye and said:"yeah, well i wish it was in the new system.

" {i guess they are all doomed to destruction} i honestly was stumped.

Strider Arekksu

Well if they think the Middle East (Africa) is a paradise then sure I bet they can't wait! Geez what they teach is so far from the truth...

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a potentially interesting JW experiment

by poor places in

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so it would be pretty interesting if someone got df'd at an early age--20 or 30 or so--and kept attending meetings for the rest of his or her life without getting reinstated.

imagine jws in the presence of a df'd person for sixty years, without acknowledging the person's existence.

they'd watch the person grow older and more feeble, and all the while they'd believe that the person is going to die because of the d'fing.

Strider Arekksu

I guess I could try it, I have friends outside of this org though, and I'm already extremely introverted, which is why it doesn't really matter if I'm disfellowshipped, losing of the cong won't effect me much, however, hearing that they're sad to see me go may be a little depressing, but more like a "friend is moving away" sad. Problem is why would I waste my time in a meeting where I know the information is about 40% plain lie? I can honeslty make 20-30 page papers explaining why some of their doctrine is wrong, just by looking at EACH subject in their "Reasoning" Book, you don't need ANY of the crap they publish to understand the Bible.

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Is there some reason for this?

by Strider Arekksu in

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so i was talking to my freind last night, told him to read revelation chapter 11 past the part describing god's two witnesses for our time period before "the end".

these two prophets will have powers and will obivously be from god, i'm sure they'll be boradcasted on the news and what not, but i asked my friend if these (what i like to call) "super prophets", will be on the scene later, why in the heck would god use a crappy orgnaization that can't get any predicitons or interpretations right as a witness for him?

it's a damn joke, and you would have to be an idiot to not understand that this is a fake, a phony.

Strider Arekksu

I've reserached this already, this has nothing to do with cherry picking OR religion, religion has nothing to do with what is going on and what is to come. I suggest you do more research particularly about the whereabouts of the true Israelites.

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Is there some reason for this?

by Strider Arekksu in

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so i was talking to my freind last night, told him to read revelation chapter 11 past the part describing god's two witnesses for our time period before "the end".

these two prophets will have powers and will obivously be from god, i'm sure they'll be boradcasted on the news and what not, but i asked my friend if these (what i like to call) "super prophets", will be on the scene later, why in the heck would god use a crappy orgnaization that can't get any predicitons or interpretations right as a witness for him?

it's a damn joke, and you would have to be an idiot to not understand that this is a fake, a phony.

Strider Arekksu

So I was talking to my freind last night, told him to read Revelation Chapter 11 past the part describing God's two witnesses for our time period before "the end". These two prophets will have powers and will obivously be from God, I'm sure they'll be boradcasted on the news and what not, but I asked my friend if these (what I like to call) "super prophets", will be on the scene later, why in the heck would God use a crappy orgnaization that can't get any predicitons or interpretations right as a witness for him? It's a damn joke, and you would have to be an idiot to not understand that this is a fake, a phony. Does the Rev book speak of these prophets?

My freind tried to make excuses for the WTS still being relavent or needed before these prophets arrive (although there are no scriptures to back this up), saying that they would be backing the JWs up in the end. I said that they surely would not, and I adviced him that when those prophets come and basically make it clear that the JWs were wrong, to get the hell out of the org before people start going ape shit, cause I'm sure that will happen. I told him that Jesus called his witnesses the Isrealites at that time who were given powers and sent out to preach the turth of the kingdom. The JWs have some major issues with taking versus out of context and reaplying them to today. I heard that at Gilead that's all they do in the "deep" study sessions. Is this true?

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"Truth in Translation" by Jason DeBuhn FREE Download

by My Struggle in

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some my be familiar with the website "revelation online" it is a site that put books online for free, usually in pdf format.

i don't know how they do it, but they have been around for years.

well, i was looking at books today and noticed the truth in translation book.. if you are not familiar with this book you have not been a jw in the past year or two(or living under a rock).

Strider Arekksu

Damn hypocrites!

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Is my dad locked?

by Strider Arekksu in

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well, i did everything i could to let my dad know that god is not with this organization, there can only be one truth, and the truth can not change.

the teachings can not change.

i gave him writtings breaking it down slowly and logically.

Strider Arekksu

He's not with any organization, the teaching that he rejected Isreal is false and was promoted by the Roman Catholic Church, a concpet just passed down through all the sects that it gave birth to including the JWs.

During Constantine's dellusional reign, there was a Council that took the books and just threw out some of the ones that use to be in them claiming they were 'apostic' which was a lie, it was done in the name of their doctrine. Most of the books taken out clear up confusions about prophiecies and what I considered 'plot holes' such as how bad people actually got before the flood and the incident with the tower of Babel. The elders said God gave us 66 books. That is a lie, God never has worked through Gentiles, he did not tell them to take out scrolls. They IMPLIED that I was prmoting racisims, honestly, how can I be if I'm using the scriptures?

I told them that it was God's repsonsiblity to take racial hate out of man, NOT a man made organizations. There would be no races moaning and groaning about any of the others, which I have seen the brothers do in car groups.

They teach that the time of the Gentiles has ended, but it hasn't. Isreal (the phyical decendents) are being punished right now. They are the only way out of this world of lies, once they get their prophets (at Rev Chap 11) the prohpets will wake up the decendants then the WHOLE WORLD will get the truth, these are God's TRUE witnesses. Everyone will get a chance, even people who've never read the Bible or know of its exitence. This is all in scripture, I would qoute, but I'm tired and have a headache.

For right now the best thing anyone can do is, read the scriptures, pray for understanding and follow the commandments that Jesus gave. WAIT for the prophets.

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Is my dad locked?

by Strider Arekksu in

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well, i did everything i could to let my dad know that god is not with this organization, there can only be one truth, and the truth can not change.

the teachings can not change.

i gave him writtings breaking it down slowly and logically.

Strider Arekksu

Well, I did everything I could to let my dad know that God is not with this organization, there can only be one truth, and the truth can not change. The TEACHINGS can not change. I gave him writtings breaking it down slowly and logically. He just doesn't get it.

I brought up to the elders when I talked to them that they are calling God and the prophets liars, they basically ignored it, they would defend the organization, even if it meant going against God's word, this was apparaent. There was even a scripture I used that they claimed didn't make sense. I said that I can't worship knowing that I would be using doctrine that is calling God a liar, I would go insane, they looked at ME like I was crazy.

My dad said we have different truth, I mean no disrepect, but does he not know how STUPID that sounds. He was not willing to explain to me how my proof was wrong and how they were right. He just used the dellsuion that the elders used "Even if we are wrong, the people are good, they teach not too do drugs, get in trouble etc. so God must show us favor". What SENSE does that make? You can be as good hearted as you want, you can have SOME truth, you can believe that you were created, if you are worshipping wood and stone you get killed, God demands obeideince and faithfulness to only him, not a stupid organization that lies and defends its own words. This is simple to grasp, why the raw stupidity?

My dad is in computer engineering so I KNOW he is not a moron, I don't get it. He hasn't been to meetings in a LONG time, so I don't see how he can defend them. My grandma beleived this stuff faithfully, she was kind but mislead. She even told me that demons led her family into this religion. A fortune telling Gypsie told them to listen to this "good news".

I don't know what to do, I'm gonna cry, I've prayed, I know the God I pray to is true. I don't want to be in the scenario Abram was in, his dad almost got him killed for him telling him that he was serving false gods and the true God loved him for what he did and saved him from King Nimrod's wrath.

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How can I counter the isolation scripture?

by Strider Arekksu in

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well, i talked to some elders and basically said the organization was calling the prophets and god liars, because they were disgarding the importance and relavance of some of the prophecies.

i told them that there is no true organization on the planet right now.

i used luke 21: 8, i used many scriptures and actually i qouted chapters, not just verses where it was obvious they were wrong, i counter verses, they didn't get them.

Strider Arekksu

Thank you all so much, I am very greatful, I really think I made God proud that night, I used many scriptures but they didn't respond, they didn't care if I countered them.

My dad was in as a bystandard but he didn't really get what was going on. He just got brainwashed further even though he hasn't been to meetings in years, he said that the brothers have love for what they were doing with me. I didn't feel that, I was telling them that they were wrong, using scripture and history to prove it, and they were defending the doctrine EVEN if it meant calling God and the prophets liars, I told them that and they didn't defend it, I don't see how they can live with that.

The told me that God always had an organization, I said yes, and I said Isreal, but right now Isreal is being punished until Jesus returns, thus no one is teaching the full truth. I then told them that Gentiles were NEVER given authority to teach the ways of Jesus. They didn't say anything.

I told them there was nowhere to go, they said yes, but they didn't understand that I meant INCLUDING the organization. And when I got that point across they said, even if they are wrong, at least the people are good... really? Is that enough for God? I thought he wanted us to worship in spirit and in TRUTH!

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How can I counter the isolation scripture?

by Strider Arekksu in

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well, i talked to some elders and basically said the organization was calling the prophets and god liars, because they were disgarding the importance and relavance of some of the prophecies.

i told them that there is no true organization on the planet right now.

i used luke 21: 8, i used many scriptures and actually i qouted chapters, not just verses where it was obvious they were wrong, i counter verses, they didn't get them.

Strider Arekksu

Well, I talked to some elders and basically said the organization was calling the prophets and God liars, because they were disgarding the importance and relavance of some of the prophecies. I told them that there is no true organization on the planet right now. I used Luke 21: 8, I used many scriptures and actually I qouted chapters, not just verses where it was obvious they were wrong, I counter verses, they didn't get them. Basically, they just said look at the people of the org, who else is like them, and said it was producing good fruit. I told them that the fruit means the teachings not the actual people, but they kept saying look at the people. Eventually, use of the scriptures stopped on their end. I'm going to pray and Sunday decide if I want to be a JW anymore, although, after this, I know where I stand.

I was called a tool of Satan if I left and that the books taken out of the Bible (by the Gentiles) were taken out because they were apostic, even though the people of the Bible quoted them. How in the WORLD could they be unacceptable if the people in the past qouted from them? They didn't asnwer that, I said that the Bible prooves that there will be Gentiles who did not serve the true God who survive the end, they didn't respond to that. They basically advized me to stay in the org. even though there are things wrong with the teachings that they can't answer. The only thing they said that I couldn't really counter was the isolation thing. If there is no one teaching truth though, you have to work with the Bible, it's all you have. There were plenty of times where people served the true God by themselves. I actually had a good argument, but I was getting emotionally stressed out, so it looked like I was doing a bad job.